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#101335 The Gelding And His Filly!

Posted by Melissa on 24 June 2013 - 02:59 AM

Today was big day for our little filly, Yara, born last October and rejected by her mom. She has always been watched real close by our gelding, Zeidan, and today we finally turned them out in the pasture together. I was a nervous nelly, but they did very good! He has been a life saver for us in helping teach her things we just could not.

Never in a million years would I have thought Zeidan would be the gelding-dad he has been, but I think he has found his love in life! Here's a few pictures from today! Melissa


First time without the fence separating them!


Then Zeidan had to run to show everyone his filly!!!


Sharing a drink




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#95796 I Thought I Touch The Subject "testing" Again

Posted by Cheryl L on 29 May 2012 - 01:11 AM

Hansi, I have been around SE's since before 1986. I have also worked with Morgans, Saddlebreds and Standardbreds and Arabians. In hand and under saddle and driving. I have started young horses, some I have foaled out and was proud to start them undersaddle . I have showed horses for people and helped those that are in need. I have handled stallions and mares for breeding, foaled out mares and have helped to make breeding decisions. Just because I own a gelding and am not a "breeder" by record, does not mean that I don't have any knowledge. I am very well respected. I also have quite a library full of information, so I don't just use the internet. I showed my horse when he was a stallion and also as a gelding. His son was just in several classes over the weekend, including leadline.
I get my horse out to local shows and let people know what an SE is all about. I do my best to promote how great it is to have an SE Arabian and dispel any myths. I do so in a friendly and open manner. I will go out of my way to help someone.
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#99083 Ibn El Norus Needs Help

Posted by Phoenixx on 21 January 2013 - 09:51 PM

I did an internet search for info on IBN El Norus and came across this discussion.  I would like to give everyone involved in this discussion an update on him.  I happen to board 2 Arabians at the trainers barn that he ended up at.  The woman from Celtic Arabians ended up signing Grant over to the trainer, instead of paying for his training and board.  The trainer then listed Grant for sale, and since they had no one interested in buying him, I was approached about buying him.  We were able to come to an agreement, and I am buying Grant from them.  So rest assured that IBN El Norus has found his forever home with me and my family.  I will be resuming his training, which was put on hold pending his sale.  He will still be boarded at the same facility, and he is still located in Michigan. 


~ Amanda

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#98999 Show us your favorite photos

Posted by DJ Sheldon on 14 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

Back at the end of November, my wonderful Prince Rex passed away as I reported in another thread.  My sister and her family had been visiting for Thanksgiving, and yesterday she sent me this picture of Rex with my nieces.  I didn't know the photo existed, and I'm so happy to have it.  It may be my new favorite as an example of Rex's stellar personality.

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#105193 Registration Stats For 2014

Posted by Willowbreeze on 15 June 2014 - 03:22 PM

I do not think the drop in registrations for a couple of years is a necessarily a bad thing.  We had a  glut on the market, more being produced than there were buyers for.. and lower prices because of the excess of horses to demand.   A few years of lower production is just what we need in my opinion to get things back in balance.  In the mean time its  up to US ( the owners & breeders) to get out there and show the public that our horses can do anything undersaddle that other breeds do.


 We are in South Texas, King Ranch quarter horse central,  yet our local pony club  has started going Arab, the kids as they graduate from the ponies are choosing arabians or even trading out paints and quarters for arabian  mounts.   Why?   because they saw the local arabian breeders out and about in the community going on trail rides, and being super competitive in the local open shows as well as the breed shows.  We, and a few other local arabian breeders were beating the stock breeds or least making them work hard for it  at the local events and the pony club members SAW that the arabians could do what they wanted to do and one by one we have seen more of the kids switch to arabians,  And now those first kids to get arabs are being competitive and winning on those arabs, and  as they started to move up the placings the other kids have also sought arabians out.  True, its not happening in the majority of the country but its a start.  Show them, they can be competitive and do the fun things with an arabian and demand will follow.


 The lower prices have also helped get these kids  on to arabians as well,,  their parents are able to afford a much higher caliber arabian for less  than they can a competitive stock breed horse.    We sold a really nice multi discipline little gelding to one of the pony club members last year, he is leading  the high point standings this year with his little pony clubber.  The other kids and parents have noticed, and now have to find mounts to beat our little Gifford.  This past weekend we loaned a couple of geldings to some pony club kids that did not have horses  of their own to show.  It was  a pain in the  rear  for me to go to the  open show, as I had just got back from regionals and was  exhausted  and really did not feel like pulling two geldings out of the pasture, clipping and bathing and driving them to a show, but it was worth it in the end.  The kids that showed them  had a blast,  and it was noticed, the judge even asked me in the lead line class if  these were purebred arabians that we were using and  how unusual it was to see them  trusted with small kids in the lead line and the walk trot classes,  she was impressed.   She had just judged them in the halter classes with first me showing them full of snort and blow in open and then the inexperienced little kids going right back in with them in sr and pee wee youth halter classes and the horses automatically toning it down for kids but still showing well for them despite the kids not having a clue on how to show an arabian halter horse and trying to set them like stock halter, the geldings basically reset  their feet and showed themselves when the judge approached them.  The youngest boy, won his halter class with our gelding , the older boy was second in his , and  the youngest went reserve champion of show behind a nice appy.  They went in lead line and walk trot, egg and spoon and costume class too.   The boys'  mom is now looking for a nice all around arabian gelding for the kids  to start showing both locally and in class A.    We told her she or any of the other club members are welcome to borrow one of our arabs for future shows if they  need to. 


The PS is never going to be able to influence people on that level and the AHA can  not either. Its up to the arabian community to do it.  YOU have to do your part to build the market and  demonstrate the ability of your horses, not sit around and expect someone to do it for you.  AHA is a registry, while they can do some out reach, they are limited - after all seeing is believing and AHA owns no horses to demo with.  PS is a club, and they also do not own horses to demo with and their one show a year is too far away and  is targeted to a  very small group of arabian owners with select heritage not for those unfamiliar with the breed  to begin with. 


As Hansi said above, If you don't like something, do something about it.


JMO   sandy


( I would post some pics of the kids at the show but for some reason I can not upload any pics to this forum.)  But you can seem them on my facebook page.


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#98885 Well, It's Been Almost 30 Hours...so I Guess I Can Announce Twins!

Posted by VanAlma on 05 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

For those of you who are not on Facebook with me, we have TWINS! My mom bought a mare from Windy Hill Sport Horses in Nebraska and she just foaled a colt and a filly by Gabriel MCA and out of Tahara Risaana. They are Hadbans of the Sameh sire line. My parents are in love. I need to get my plane ticket up there to see them! The colt is strong and, as my mother puts it, "born walking, talking and ready to go to Kindergarten". He was up in under 20 minutes. The filly not so much but she's getting better with assistance with standing and walking some. It will be touch and go with her for quite some time, but is such an exciting event I just feel compelled to share all over the place with people who appreciate this experience. Attached is a pic of proud papa (my dad LOL) holding Beta (the filly) with Alpha (the colt) looking on. I also attached a pic of Alpha taken maybe 12 hours after birth. He's going to be big, me thinks :) Thanks for letting me share. I'm so excited!

Please excuse Alpha and Beta's name right now. My dad does stuff like that. I fear those barn names WILL stick. We'll see :P

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#98794 Show us your favorite photos

Posted by stuart on 28 December 2012 - 01:30 PM

........and a headshot ;) 


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#98514 Show us your favorite photos

Posted by oli on 01 December 2012 - 10:38 AM

It´s winter....

E.H. Assam (Gharib x Aminah by El Hilal/Nader) nearly 30 years old
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Blue Velvet (Nabya Ibn Gharib x Estashama by Ibn Estopa)
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Shakira Bint Dschehim (Dschehim x Angel Heart by Nabya Ibn Gharib)
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#92692 Breeding for the Best Colt in the World

Posted by Willowbreeze on 07 January 2012 - 05:16 PM

I have literally bred more horses than I can count in my years on breeding farms, of all breeds. In the paints in quarters we used to stand 5-6 stallions that bred anywhere from 40 to 100 mares each a year. I personally would foal out 40-80 mares per year and handled many, many more each year. In all those matings I never saw a difference in quality of foals attributable by method of how the semen was introduced into the uterus.

If you have ever watched on video what happens after the semen is deposited until the time of conception, it would be quite obvious that there is no one super sperm in the total output of the stallion. You would see that it really does not matter how the semen gets in there, its going to fan out and behave the same way no matter how it got in. The little guys spread out all over the entire place, some go up one horn and some go up the other. Its totally random which sperm is lucky enough to encounter the egg first and penetrate it. There is not one super individual that swims all around the entire uterus out racing all the others in the process and finds the egg . Its the lucky one that went up the side the ovulation occurred on and bumped into the egg first. Physically damaged ones aren't going to make it in time and just because their tails got broke or bent during the procedure does not mean their genetic material is faulty. Neither does many of the other abnormalities of sperm seen, mean their genetic content is compromised. In fact those abnormalities are to be expected and and are classified as Primary, Seconday and Tertiary. Primaries would be the ones possibly compromised genetically but even then, a small percentage of Primary abnormalities are considered normal and acceptable.

From my experience, when there is a fault, not obvious in the parents or grandparents, that crops up you can attribute it to an ancestor farther back in the pedigree, ( a throwback) or to environmental factors either in the womb during development or after birth. The example of club feet given is a good one. It can be a genetic predisposition in some cases but in a great many it is environmental, a foal's tendency to place that foot back while spraddling out to graze and wearing the toe more than the heel and then not receiving regular farrier care to remove the excess heel. A sudden occurence of a windswept foal in a line that has never had one, is not due to how the sperm got into the mare but how the foal was positioned in the mare during gestation, the same with the one time production of a foal with scoliosis. Mineral or vitamin deficiencies during gestation can also lead to faults developing. A vitamin b deficiency can lead to horrible leg problems and cleft palates. Mom may be fat, but that doesn't mean she did not have a vitamin deficiency or get exposed to a toxin during gestation. Pasture quality can vary year to year, so even if she is in the same pasture as with other pregnancies you can not rule out environment unless you tested that pasture several times each year.

AI is just a tool. Like any tool its efficacy can be affected by the knowledge and expertise of the user. No weekend repro course is going to qualify you to be an expert on breeding by AI or shipped semen or even live cover. Neither does a vet degree. Many large animal vets only receive a 6 week instruction period on the total equine( I was told this by a vet). Not 6 weeks of just equine repro but the whole equine. Yet many people trust these vets to do their repro work thinking they are qualified based on that large animal degree. That is where taking a weekend Repro course is really going to help the small breeder out, in knowing when to question the advice and competency of those they entrust to do the work for them. By helping them understand the basics of what needs to happen. People get in trouble with AI because the interfere too much, are rushing the process, or do not follow proper procedures in an effort to cut cost and time. There is a whole chain of events that must happen on a chemical and cellular level to be successful. You should only interfere to correct a problem not to make the horse's repro schedule fit your convenience. But that is a whole nother topic and a pet peeve.

AI can be very valuable in getting a mare in foal, preventing disease, keeping a foal safe, or for new mom that will not accept the stallion because of worry for her foal. AI done properly, it is a disease prevention not the cause of disease. There are many, many transmitable diseases and bacterias out there. No stallion I am in charge of is live covering a mare with a history of pseudamonas, klebsiella or any other chronic STD. Neither will I live cover a dangerous mare, whether she is a danger to handler, stallion or foal at side, better to be safe and AI. Our boys here pasture breed, live cover in hand or AI depending on each individual situation. I had one maiden mare last year that was so nervous, that though we tried live cover as per the owners request, and she stood like a champ and the stallion was quiet and gentle-- she clamped her cervix so tight the semen could not get in and would run out as you walked her back down the alley. Upon putting a hand in right after the stallion finished after a couple of unsuccessful attempts to get her pregnant, the vet found her cervix clamped shut, where it had been open upon palpation just minutes before breeding. She is not deformed or faulty in anyway, just scared, but she won't get pregnant by live cover if the semen can't get in. AI is needed in this case.

The argument that AI foals are inferior just does not hold water for me. I have seen AI foals out perform live cover foals in very strenuous ridden competition. I would say if you can not find a reason to attribute a fault to in the immediate pedigree, in my opinion, then you just need to look further back down the line or look into environmental factors that can cause that particular fault. I pretty much would dare anyone to walk through my pastures and pick out which foals were AI'd and which were live covered. I have full siblings here that some were AI and some were live and I don't think anyone could guess which were which. In fact in my opinion the AI sibs are better in several cases.

In any case, a person should use what works for them. If you don't like it fine, but don't diss the rest of us that do and imply our foals are inferior because we do use AI. Talk about a marketing ploy, ie.---don't use so and so's stallion or buy their foals, they use AI you know. You don't know what horrible conditions may pop up from that. geesh. Just because some master breeders do not use it doesn't mean there are not others that do. There are some outstanding performance horses out there that were the result of AI.


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#102742 Hr Roujuan (Asf Wadi X Fa Mah Roufa)

Posted by VanAlma on 08 September 2013 - 05:30 PM

I just realized I never posted pictures of the stallion I got!!! I guess I posted on FB and assumed I had shared him here, but apparently I didn't. Anyway, after a long search through many stallion prospects, I ended up choosing HR Roujuan. I honestly wanted at least some new egyptian breeding, preferably Gleannloch or Kehilan influenced, had a few I was interested in, but got no follow through from the sellers so wasn't going to push it. I didn't want a run around. I missed an opportunity to purchase the stallion I loved at Treff-Haven as they had him sold by the time I decided I wanted to go the route of stallion-ownership. Anyway, I have been fascinated for a long time with the Zobeyni sire line, mostly for the rarity and also the fact that my favorite CMK elements do come from Gulastra. I had long-admired a picture of Cheryl's grey stallion. HR Judaan, and when I made it known I was looking, a few people pointed me in her direction. That was one of the best trips I took and it was 11 hours one way. She is yet another small breeder, just like Homer and Tina of Treff-Haven, Joe Bayer in OK (can't remember his farm name!!), and Sharon Jackson and her daughter Chrissy Sappington in OKC, who, as a whole, produce stellar animals.

I figured if I was going to go the route of old egyptian, I wanted as much "Brown" blood as possible. I saw lots of nice animals, some had a type I was not fond of, but still had structure etc. You could see families at her place, which was so important to me. Anyway, back to my point, I figured if I was going to go "old" Babson/Brown, I should get as much Gulastra as possible. Well, I met Roujuan and that was it. Period. Aside from the straight Babsons, he was the lowest percentage of Gulastra on her place. I decided on him anyway. I like this HORSE so much. He isn't perfect, but has what I like in a horse and also has what my mares need while not lacking in their strengths. He also has the best temperament anyone could ask for in a stud. My husband loves him, too :)

I am a terrible photographer, but Cheryl was gracious enough to send me a bunch of pics and then another woman on FB, Jacquie P (can't spell her last name) was gracious enough to share some photos taken by Diana Johnson. So, for those who have not seen him on FB, here he is. I don't have current pics but, I assure you, I will make him look terrible when I do take some.


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#98246 Standards For Stallions... We Need Them! Your Opinion?

Posted by Roze on 08 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

I think setting up incentives for geldings would be a better approach than trying to limit or inspect stallions. I think too many people feel their horse becomes worthless if they geld it and therefore they'll keep it intact even if it poor quality. There's no value to geldings, to fix a lot of the problems the first step would be to create a market for and promote geldings. Other breeds have far fewer issues with an over population of stallions because their geldings have value, sometimes more than the stallions themselves. This is where we need to start and then educate people what a good breeding animal is mare or stallion, but create a market and an incentive for people to geld and you'd see a lot of sub par stallions turn into great geldings.
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#103580 I Got A Se Filly!

Posted by Loriwoo on 08 November 2013 - 01:11 AM

Well after readjusting my list, I got my filly.

I gave up homozygous, I gave up black and I gave up SE, then I got the entire list!

Her name right now is Sedaqa Opal Nera,

but will be changed to Aziza Zalia,

and I adore her.

SHe hasn't been handled much but already longes at a walk, I can clean 3 of her feet where previously I could not touch any of them, and she is just adorable and beautiful.

She's a bit jumpy but we're working on that.

Thanks to all for helping me,, I hope to ride her someday and make ya'all proud!

she is 2.

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#102414 Se's In Open Dressage

Posted by Jacey on 12 August 2013 - 05:44 PM

This past weekend in Sussex New Brunswick 3 Arabians,2 Straight Egyptians and one domestic bred competed in an EC Gold dressage Show and did the Arabian breed proud.NF Satori(Halim El Nefous x J O Sajha) bred by William Hudson and purchased in 2006 by Najouba Arabians from Ray and Jamie Roberts; Bikr NA (Ansata Sirius X Ansata Fantazi) bred by Ansata ,and owned by Najouba Arabians in Sussex ; and Man After Midnight a domestic bred Arabian owned and shown by Kim McKeen of Nova Scotia, competed under judge Ellen King. The common comment of the weekend was she was a hard judge,tough marker but fair! Marks were very consistant through the weekend . With 110 rides scored,only 38 rides scored in the 60"s. NF Satori had the 3rd highest score on Sat. and on Sunday had the 2 highest scores and ended the weekend with 4 first place ribbons in Training Level Tests 2 and 3. Champion Training Level Open Division AND tied with a hugh warmblood for top score of the weekend!! With just 3 weeks serious training he did amazing with rider Robyn Gillies. Bikr NA had competed in July in Training Level tests 2 and 3 ,earning 4 firsts and Champion Training Level Open,so was bumped up to First Level for this show,and ended the weekend with 2 firsts, 1 second and 1 third and Champion First Level Open division. Man After Midnight earned 2 second place ribbons and 2 first place ribbons and was Champion AA Training Level. This judge seemed to really like the Arabs,which is not common. I think she fell in love with Bikr ,really liked him. In the July show one of the comments from the judge about Bikr was,"lovely to watch and a pleasure to judge" A big thanks belongs to Robyn Gillies our rider who did all the work preparing Bikr and Tori(Satori) .The best comment of the weekend was while we were waiting in the stands with audience f and riders for the prize presentations  and a member of the audience called out to the riders and said,  "well the Arabians sure showed you guys up this weekend" to which the rider of a WB who was used to having high score of the weekend replies"They sure did!" Awesome show! Great weekend!

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#102334 Ai And More Doors That Have Been Opened With Its Use

Posted by anitae on 31 July 2013 - 05:47 AM

  I don't care how many billion sperms are produced and that we know it only takes one to get the job done.  Nature gave the male what seems to us to be a ridiculous overabundance of sperm.  There is a reason for these numbers and the fact is that we humans just don't know the exact reason for it.  This condition is repeated in many other species, so it is not unique to the horse.  It is nature's way of ensuring survival and making evolutionary change, when needed, possible.  

Ray, I was told the reason is that, even at that scale, they won't ask for directions.

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#100291 Ee What You Like What You Don't

Posted by crooked creek on 06 June 2013 - 07:40 PM

More horses in the performance classes this year!! My gelding winning Hunter Pleasure Open last Monday😀😀

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#99885 Egyptian-Sired Colt Born Apr 12

Posted by zeplinsmom on 07 May 2013 - 08:24 PM

I am very pleased to introduce the result of my first attempt at breeding. My Egyptian/CMK mare Layla (Starlite Duchess) was bred to the SE stallion Sabbataz JA. This little boy, born on a cold and wet day in Apr and a bit overdue (358 days) was the result:

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Here he is at 2 days:

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At 9 days:

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At 14 days (don't mind the mud, we've been swimming since Feb):

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And this past weekend with my nieces at 3 weeks:

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#97834 Pregnancy Confirmation

Posted by Romar Arabians on 11 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

I couldn't find the thread announcing next year's foals, so I'll start a new one. Last night I was finally able to get the vet out and confirm that our True Colours daughter is about six weeks in foal to David Myers wonderful stallion REA El Kaream. It's later in the year than I typically like to have them but I really wanted this mare in foal. The resulting offspring will be a 3/4 sibling to the colt we had this year by Kaream and out of our Ruminaja Ali daughter, who is a half sister to our True Colours daughter. This year's colt is absolutely one of the finest colts I have ever bred or seen for that matter. I called David Myers last night and gave him the good news and he was so excited, and let me put a little plug in here for David and Kaream. David is one of the best people you will ever find to work with. He goes out of his way to accommodate you, and Kaream's semen quality is exceptional, not to mention that Kaream is arguably the most successful Straight Egyptian show stallion (halter) in the country the last 2 years. If only we can get a filly next year.
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#95837 I Thought I Touch The Subject "testing" Again

Posted by VanAlma on 30 May 2012 - 08:06 PM

I think once people stop limiting what constitutes as under saddle testing, people will be more and more open to talking about they do and don't do and why. While I appreciate the rigors of the following, there are far more facets of the equine industry than racing, endurance and dressage. Just because people don't do one of these does not mean their horse is not tested nor does it mean the horse isn't good for something.
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#95801 I Thought I Touch The Subject "testing" Again

Posted by diane on 29 May 2012 - 05:24 AM

Cheryl, I read your post with very mixed feelings... the really good feelings were to read how you have been involved with Arabians over a period of time and how you have enjoyed your time with them; the sad part was the unceremonious prod which prompted your post. That was really sad. Keep smiling ~ it'll come through in your posts ;)
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#102836 Show us your favorite photos

Posted by Roze on 22 September 2013 - 03:55 PM

This was an "outtake" from our recent photo session, but we love it because it shows their silly side :)

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