154 replies to this topic

[Brenji]

When leasing or purchasing a mare , is the seller or the buyer responsible to have these tests done ? Do people test their SE's for CA?
Bren

[PAS]

It depends on the buyer. Some offer only tested neg horses others have the buyer pay for all testing. Pre-purchase exams included.

[ponygirl]

Honorable way to conduct business, Marie

[SE Legacy]

Sakinah, on Feb 6 2009, 03:42 AM, said:

Our farm policy is that no sale horse leaves our property without CA and SCID testing initiated or (preferably) completed.
Rather than get caught up in a debate over whose responsibility it is, usually resulting in a bunch of finger pointing and denial of responsibility, we have decided to step up and assume the responsibility as breeders and sellers.

Marie

We plan to do the same. I have even taken responsibilty for testing mares that I am leasing. For us, the priority is not creating additional carriers and not even knowing it. The horses and their well being are the most important thing to me. The costs associated with the testing are minor compared to me being able to confidentally represent the horses we sell.

[ShannonC]

Thank you pongirl and SELegacy,

With SCID'S and now CA we really need to work togehter on our Straight Egyptian's so we can continue maintaining the elegant look of the Arabian but also on retaining and enhancing the versatility of this age old breed of horse without producing CA or SCID foals.

Also as suggestion on another discussion here with economic hardships on swapping breedings on stallions or swapping foals or leasing eachother's mares. I think we have good ideas here on this fourm, people we are here for our Arabian horses  and our dreams to come ture.
Shannon

[Brenji]

Thank you all for your information. I have always wondered why SE people never scid tested, logic says we could have it in our lines as well as the others have. Reason for my question was because I was looking at a mare to buy, really do like her, ask the person about scids test & was told they only test the stallions and they never heard of Ca.. This comes from a breeder, not just a owner.
Thaks for your answers,
Bren

[marketing]

Bren, most of the breeders that I have talked to about CA have never heard of it. Many don't read internet forums and have never received anything about it, perhaps AHA needs to send out some fliers about it.

[ShannonC]

Your right there Heidi the first I heard of it was on the ABN and from their I read everything I could find on the internet and then we started this month testing our horses.
It be nice if the AHA would make a booket on all the gentic deas. the Arabian breed has and mail it out to it's members.
Shannon

[Brenji]

Hey Heidi, I know they may not know to much about Ca , I sent them the link.  BUT, I think mares need to be scid tested as well, I think it's the proper way to be responsible, & I would pay for the test if she wasn't already tested, before I signed a contract
Bren

[marketing]

I  know we sold a horse to France pending the SCID results, the buyer paid for it.the sire had been tested but not the dam.

[marketing]

[Avalondales]

I think there are quite a few Straight Egyptian breeders out there that refuse to test for SCID's as they believe it to be a purity issue..Many Davenport breeders were of the same belief until it was proven otherwise and within those bloodlines...I would never under estimate mother nature, mutation for better or worse is always happening in nature... Marie a very commendable policy for your sales horses... Are you going to test them even if both parents are negative?  

I believe at the bare minimum all stallions should be tested as they can have the quickest impact in spreading the genetics and perhaps these tests should be part of the registration process..

Tracy

[SE Legacy]

Avalondales, on Feb 15 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

I think there are quite a few Straight Egyptian breeders out there that refuse to test for SCID's as they believe it to be a purity issue..Many Davenport breeders were of the same belief until it was proven otherwise and within those bloodlines...I would never under estimate mother nature, mutation for better or worse is always happening in nature... Marie a very commendable policy for your sales horses... Are you going to test them even if both parents are negative?  

I believe at the bare minimum all stallions should be tested as they can have the quickest impact in spreading the genetics and perhaps these tests should be part of the registration process..

Tracy

I would like to know what is involved and associated costs for testing my horses for both CA and SCID. Also - I live in a rural area of TN and is it something that any equine vet can do or does it require something special? Advice would be greatly appreciated as always

[marketing]

http://foal.org/TestKitsandForms.html

[SE Legacy]

marketing, on Feb 17 2009, 01:46 AM, said:

http://foal.org/TestKitsandForms.html

Thanks, HeidI! I am going to do what I feel is right and have my guy tested. Maybe even all of my mares. Better to be safe than sorry. An epidemic we do not need.

[ShannonC]

Avalondales, on Feb 15 2009, 08:17 AM, said:

I think there are quite a few Straight Egyptian breeders out there that refuse to test for SCID's as they believe it to be a purity issue..Many Davenport breeders were of the same belief until it was proven otherwise and within those bloodlines...I would never under estimate mother nature, mutation for better or worse is always happening in nature... Marie a very commendable policy for your sales horses... Are you going to test them even if both parents are negative?  

I believe at the bare minimum all stallions should be tested as they can have the quickest impact in spreading the genetics and perhaps these tests should be part of the registration process..

Tracy

Hello Tracy,
Yes we will test all of our hoses mares,stallion, foals even if both parents are negative(I am really anal about having the paper showing all of our horses are Clear or Carries).
Shannon and Marie

[Pete]

Being an engineer and logic specialist, I wonder why I should spend $2000 to test for something I have never seen in Egyptians. I'd rather have 12 tons of hay in the barn unless someone can show me that there is a plausible chance of any of my horses having SCIDS. The very only cases I have EVER heard of in Egyptians came from a single group of horses where there was a lawsuit about the heredity of some already. Now Skowronek was a carrier and he was used in Egypt and some have been selling some of his lineage as SE.

Has ANYONE heard of specific horses other than this group within the SE population? Which were these horses?
Has ANYONE has a positive test of those who have tested?
I am older than dirt and I have never heard of one.

Now in Lavendar Foal Syndrome, I know the mare who was the initial SE carrier from which every case I have heard of originated. 3 of her get were carriers and if you don't breed with one of these horses on both sides of the pedigree, you won't get an affected foal. Names can be named here. If they exist in SEs, where are the names?

[Juniper]

Pete, on Apr 5 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

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Now in Lavendar Foal Syndrome, I know the mare who was the initial SE carrier from which every case I have heard of originated. 3 of her get were carriers and if you don't breed with one of these horses on both sides of the pedigree, you won't get an affected foal. Names can be named here. If they exist in SEs, where are the names?

Pete

You will never cease to amaze me. When you write, it looks like you have seen all the Minstril or desperado gets, now it seems you know of ALL LF affected and carriers.... a little simplistic don't you think?

FYI it is in Crabbet and other lines too WITHOUT the mare in question. Soon there will be a test and there won't be a need for speculation.

btw you can send samples of all your horses to help develop that test to Cornell FREE. Been posted everywhere. All it takes is a handfull of hair roots.

[phanilah]

SE Legacy, on Feb 17 2009, 02:22 AM, said:

I would like to know what is involved and associated costs for testing my horses for both CA and SCID. Also - I live in a rural area of TN and is it something that any equine vet can do or does it require something special? Advice would be greatly appreciated as always

You can get the samples yourself.

CA testing is $50 and can be ordered through this link:
http://www.vgl.ucdav...vices/horse.php

SCID testing is currently on sale for $75/test for April, May and June.
Phone: 800-483-8436 or e-mail: vetgen@vetgen.com

THE KIT ORDER FORM BELOW CAN ALSO BE USED FOR THIS SPECIAL PRICE, JUST FILL IN THE CORRECT AMOUNTS. http://foal.org/user/KitOrder.PDF

Beth

[phanilah]

ShannonC, on Feb 9 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

It be nice if the AHA would make a booket on all the gentic deas. the Arabian breed has and mail it out to it's members.
Shannon

Developing additional educational materials is something the new task force will be discussing.  So, feel free to post ideas.

Beth Minnich
Chair, AHA Task Force on Genetic Diseases