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[AA Wish]

Has anyone seen anything like this on arabains? Here are pictures of Aliyy. He's a pure arabian...no appy in his pedigree (that we know of ). I think this is called the lacying gene...however, I've noticed the spots actually have white skin under them like an appaloosa does. I don't think they are bird catcher spots because I didn't think they (bird catchers) actually had white skin under them. This pattern is only on one side of his coat. It continues to grow every year going further down his leg. This year he acquired the stifle spots.

I was reading on the internet that arabians can depigment with age. Don't know if that would be what I'm seeing here.






I'm pretty sure my stallion carries the silver gene (I need to get the test done because most of his offspring have 'silver' somewhere on their coats.)Do you think this could be a 'silver' manifestation?

Any other thoughts anyone?

Feel free to post picture of other 'color' challenged arabians if you wish.

[Kathy Bailey]

DF Faaiqs Farida. She has the same sort of spotting, only it's near her shoulder.

[Demelza]

my mare, by the SE Simeon Shemini who is leaving alot of colourful babies. She has roan (rabicano) ticking as well as more spots appearing each year.

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[Demelza]

ps the skin under Shula's spots is black.

[Ray]

DF Faaiqs Farida - looks like bloody shoulder marks, in reverse color for grey horses. I have a long yearling filly who has been generously splattered with "bird droppings" in a random way all over her body. The spots are very visible now, but will disappear as she turns white (grey). Her two sisters by the same stallion don't have the spots. No pink skin for the spots.

[AA Wish]

Kathy Bailey, on 01 September 2010 - 07:48 PM, said:

DF Faaiqs Farida. She has the same sort of spotting, only it's near her shoulder.

This mare is eye candy!!!

[janessa]

AA Wish, on 01 September 2010 - 09:34 PM, said:

This mare is eye candy!!!

She Is gorgeous!

Interesting to see this on Arabs? Those of you with mares and stallions: do they ever give their foals these patterns?? Did one of their parents have these patterns as well? I wonder where it comes from...

My black SE mare has roaning on both sides of her flanks, between there and her stomach..

[VanAlma]

I have one with pronounced bird catcher spots but don't yet know if she will pass it on. The picture I have doesn't show it well enough so removed it.

[ShannonC]

Definitely bird catcher spots. We have a horse that has the lacing also call webbing. Love the the look. Here is our boy lacing which will keep spreading.

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[AA Wish]

ShannonC, on 02 September 2010 - 12:16 AM, said:

Definitely bird catcher spots. We have a horse that has the lacing also call webbing. Love the the look. Here is our boy lacing which will keep spreading.

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Shannon that is cool lacing. Is the skin underneath white or black?

[Phoenix]

Our russian Bred purebred mare has this. I will need to take a pic of her from up in the hayloft since the marking's run in a line down her back. When I first purchased her I thought they were old scars. A vet gave me the proper name for it years ago, however I can't remember exactly what the proper name for it was?

[sgarabians]

AA Wish, on 01 September 2010 - 09:34 PM, said:

This mare is eye candy!!!

This is an interesting comment - would you be able to explain why you feel this is the case for me?

thanks
Dave

[Al Zayd NZ]

These are all interesting but I think most are specifically different and do not represent Appaloosa coloring. The filly with shoulder markings would look as Ray suggested a type of reverse blood marking which I would be interested to see how this grows out...?
I maybe wrong but feel the bird doodlings look very different and I am seriously hoping this is not an Arabian example...?
Demelza's mare I know well and certainly the flecking through the coat is very regular and quite common especially around the flank. The spots are found at times but I think these are not permanent as such maybe dietary as they tend to shift and vary in size at different times...? Definitely I have not found a chestnut born with them.
I may be wrong... but the chestnut with white marks down the back I can only see them being some sort of bacterial scolding from rain, some sort of damage or the likes. The first grey I think the same but different and obviously will grow out however, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some blood marking type remains from this happening.
JMO... the only one you could worry me about is if the bird catcher spots were on a purebred Arabian... ?!?

cheers, David.

[Phoenix]

Sakinah, on 05 September 2010 - 05:42 AM, said:

David,

This colt has never had "rain rot" or "rain scalding". That is why I originally thought that maybe the mares were picking on him and biting him as I've seen bite marks cause enough damage to the skin to cause the hair to grow back in white...BUT there was never any of the associated scrapes, injuries or scraped bare of hair spots indicative of bite marks. The white started with just one spot and has slowly, over time, expanded down along his back.
He does have Muscat in his pedigree via his dam and Muscat has been known to produce sabino (and related...such as the lacing this colt displays) markings or traits in his descendants.

Marie

Maybe its' coming thru Muscat? My mare is a Muscofir daughter. The Vet that new the proper name for this is the owner of Hawkeye CC.

[Demelza]

According to 'Equine Color Genetics' by Dan Phillip Sponenberg
"The birdcatcher spots pattern of white spotting is rare and consists of small, random white spots scattered over the body. The name comes from the Thoroughbred horse called Irish Birdcatcher, who sported such spots. They are unrelated to the leopard complex of colors, although if they are numerous they can resemble the snowflake pattern. Birdcatcher spots occur on horses of a wide number of breeds, but only in a very few individuals. Hairs in scarred or injured areas of any base color can grow in white, but these blemishes are distinct from birdcatcher spots, which are unrelated to injuries. Some horses acquire birdcatcher spots well into middle age, and some horses that develop birdcatcher spots lose them in later life.

No studies have ever been done concerning birdcatcher spots, but they are strongly associated with certain families. This implies that such spots are probably genetically caused, but details of the mode of transmission are unknown. Nor is it known if they result from the action of a single allele."

[Demelza]

some photos of the unusual spotting patterns and explanations of the possible genetic or environmental causes behind them: http://www.whitehors...cg_basics4.html
Attached is a picture of the purebred mare Arabian Park Vonetta (Egyptian/Crabbet). Her pedigree: http://ahsadata.com/...cfm?AHSID=19997

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[1rider]

Sakinah, on 05 September 2010 - 05:42 AM, said:

David,

This colt has never had "rain rot" or "rain scalding". That is why I originally thought that maybe the mares were picking on him and biting him as I've seen bite marks cause enough damage to the skin to cause the hair to grow back in white...BUT there was never any of the associated scrapes, injuries or scraped bare of hair spots indicative of bite marks. The white started with just one spot and has slowly, over time, expanded down along his back.
He does have Muscat in his pedigree via his dam and Muscat has been known to produce sabino (and related...such as the lacing this colt displays) markings or traits in his descendants.

Marie

the vet says this is viral and there is no treatment till it heals
on it's own. I have heard many explain reason
for this. Some even have scabs underneath that are very sore. The key is the diamond patterns. I will
try and post some pictures. Saw this just the other day and the vet was out and explained a
little about it....Ken

[nevermimic]

I wonder if this genetic coloring is akin to the bloody shoulder gene? or maybe roaning??? I have seen this before, and always thought it was beautiful...just as there is a gene in the Arabian genetics where a pure Arab looks like a Paint Horse..albeit the patches are not all over the body like most Paints. I think these colors may not be as prevelant in the breed because so many of the registires, organizations, shows and 'professional' breeders frown in this kind of coloring. I think ti is beautiful though!

[Rumonek]

Looks like some form of somatic mutation, not bird catcher spots.

[Shakti]

I LOVE this kind of coloring, it is so neat! I had a Chincoteauge pony that had this down the length of her back, I will see if I can find a photo of it.