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[Demelza]

Heidi, on 17 November 2010 - 05:37 PM, said:

Jaleen Hacklander did post her results in public, all her straights we're negative, all the Qadar stallions we're negative. From speaking with the larger breeders they won't test they have said till the Ca test is no longer called a marker test.Untill people stop buying breedings and horses out of untested stock I'm sure they won't test.

It's a pity they won't educate themselves as to what a "marker test" really is. Using this test is preventing CA affected foals being born!

Will they do the LFS test then? It's a direct test. Same with SCID.

[hansi]

Al Tair, on 17 November 2010 - 05:07 PM, said:

Dear Hansi,

on the right side of this "15.11.10" there is a download button.

All the best
Sabrina

Thanks Sabrina, it worked. Did not see that download button, my window showed it when I moved it over.

23 horses CA carriers, not bad out of these many. Are these ALL
THE German horses tested?

take care
hansi

[Kathy Bailey]

Thank you, Sabrina.

Al Tair, on 17 November 2010 - 05:07 PM, said:

Dear Hansi,

on the right side of this "15.11.10" there is a download button.

All the best
Sabrina

[Al Tair]

hansi, on 17 November 2010 - 07:01 PM, said:

Thanks Sabrina, it worked. Did not see that download button, my window showed it when I moved it over.

23 horses CA carriers, not bad out of these many. Are these ALL
THE German horses tested?

take care
hansi

These are the horses which results are sent to the VZAP by their owners. Many many more are tested but the results are not disclosed up to now... I know many carrier which don't appear on this list. And the VZAP wrote that little mares are tested and disclosed. From its website:

10.11.2010:    Wichtiger Hinweis für Besitzer neu einzutragener Stuten!!!!!!!!!!

Nach Durchsicht aller eingereichten Unterlagen wurde in der Geschäftsstelle festgestellt, dass bei fast allen im Jahr 2010 zur Zuchtbucheintragung gemusterten Vollblutaraberstuten noch das Ergebnis des CA-Testes fehlt.

Wir bitten daher alle betroffenen Stutenbesitzer, schnellstens den Test zu veranlassen und uns die Kopie des Ergebnisses zukommen zu lassen. Erst dann kann die Zuchtbucheintragung der Stute abschließend bearbeitet werden und eventuelle Fohlenpapiere ausgestellt werden.

Das Informationsblatt zur Vorgehensweise finden Sie hier unter Zucht/OnlineOffice/Informationen zum CA-Test.

Vielen Dank.


The owner of the German Arabians have time until the end of 2011 to disclose ALL results of EVERY purebred Arabian. The newly registered breeding horses have to be tested before their registration and the former breeding horses must be tested until the end of 2011.

You see the list is very incomplete.

Sabrina

[diane]

This is sad, really sad.  Poor examples of leadership and trust.

Heidi, on 17 November 2010 - 05:37 PM, said:

Jaleen Hacklander did post her results in public, all her straights we're negative, all the Qadar stallions we're negative. From speaking with the larger breeders they won't test they have said till the Ca test is no longer called a marker test.Untill people stop buying breedings and horses out of untested stock I'm sure they won't test.

[hansi]

Al Tair, on 17 November 2010 - 08:44 PM, said:

These are the horses which results are sent to the VZAP by their owners. Many many more are tested but the results are not disclosed up to now... I know many carrier which don't appear on this list. And the VZAP wrote that little mares are tested and disclosed. From its website:

10.11.2010:    Wichtiger Hinweis für Besitzer neu einzutragener Stuten!!!!!!!!!!

Nach Durchsicht aller eingereichten Unterlagen wurde in der Geschäftsstelle festgestellt, dass bei fast allen im Jahr 2010 zur Zuchtbucheintragung gemusterten Vollblutaraberstuten noch das Ergebnis des CA-Testes fehlt.

Wir bitten daher alle betroffenen Stutenbesitzer, schnellstens den Test zu veranlassen und uns die Kopie des Ergebnisses zukommen zu lassen. Erst dann kann die Zuchtbucheintragung der Stute abschließend bearbeitet werden und eventuelle Fohlenpapiere ausgestellt werden.

Das Informationsblatt zur Vorgehensweise finden Sie hier unter Zucht/OnlineOffice/Informationen zum CA-Test.

Vielen Dank.


The owner of the German Arabians have time until the end of 2011 to disclose ALL results of EVERY purebred Arabian. The newly registered breeding horses have to be tested before their registration and the former breeding horses must be tested until the end of 2011.

You see the list is very incomplete.

Sabrina

thanks Sabrina, at least something is being done. Mind you in the meantime numerous horses could be sold without disclosure and/or foals born doomed to die. Personally, if this happens, the owners should be held responsible.

the list issued by your registry is well set-up, alphabetic-names.
I wish ours here would be alike. It is so easy now to follow through.

Take care
Hansi

[ivahri]

Demelza, on 19 November 2010 - 09:16 AM, said:

I have read the WAHO memorandum (dated 23 September 2010) under discussion (thanks Hansi). While I can see the point in, and agree with, some of the statements made, it still doesn't make sense for WAHO to suddenly concern itself with "discrimination" when as we already know, at least two registries have had compulsory SCID testing in place for near on a decade. I would ask why the SCID carriers were able to bear the brunt of "discrimination" for all this time, but the CA and LFS carriers are not?   I would argue that a precedent has already been set (in that WAHO has accepted mandatory SCID testing in some member countries since 2000/2001), and to now try and prevent mandatory for other genetic disorders until at least Nov 2011, is suspicious to say the least.

I also noted that WAHO seems to be concerned some registries are trying to prevent registrations of carrier horses, when I know this is NOT the case in Australia (the country obviously being referred to on page 3).

The WAHO executive committee passed the recommendations in the memo unanimously.

Hi Demelza,

I think people will shortly find out that the AHSA have addressed this issue already but I've been asked to shut up until the Chairman makes the announcement herself. Maybe the issue was provoked by the AHSA requiring horses outside of Australia to be tested prior to import- maybe that could have been viewed as the AHSA exceeding its "authority". Clearly their objective was sincere- to prevent the unnecessary import of untested carriers coming in to the country. Australian breeders, I think, would support that. Maybe a subtle shift of testing point, from prior to entry to prior to being bred from, might achieve the same thing but make the matter entirely one for Australians to endorse, and for WAHO & others to butt out of? But seriously... who would be silly enough to spend thousands of dollars importing a horse & not have the tested before the money is handed over? Are there breeders in Europe & the US who would actually refuse to test a horse for a prospective Australian buyer?  

The next WAHO should be very entertaining... I'd expect a few of the AHSA representatives to pack their boxing gloves.

Cheers,


Richard

[hansi]

Demelza, on 19 November 2010 - 09:16 AM, said:

I have read the WAHO memorandum (dated 23 September 2010) under discussion (thanks Hansi). While I can see the point in, and agree with, some of the statements made, it still doesn't make sense for WAHO to suddenly concern itself with "discrimination" when as we already know, at least two registries have had compulsory SCID testing in place for near on a decade. I would ask why the SCID carriers were able to bear the brunt of "discrimination" for all this time, but the CA and LFS carriers are not?   I would argue that a precedent has already been set (in that WAHO has accepted mandatory SCID testing in some member countries since 2000/2001), and to now try and prevent mandatory for other genetic disorders until at least Nov 2011, is suspicious to say the least.

I also noted that WAHO seems to be concerned some registries are trying to prevent registrations of carrier horses, when I know this is NOT the case in Australia (the country obviously being referred to on page 3).

The WAHO executive committee passed the recommendations in the memo unanimously.

Good morning all

Demelza, those who export, as we do since 1971, are always asked by the importing country to run numerous blood tests, without which, or if positive, cant be exported. Some of the WAHO executives also export and are aware of it. Therefore, a genetic test should really not be a problem, or? I never heard anybody here or abroad objecting to the tests, some smaller breeders had to wait to get the funds together, saved and then tested. All I know everybody welcomed the responsible act, knowing lifes and heartaches are saved for many a college.

Indeed the next WAHO convention might become most interesting and who knows, changes in personel could come about. It is still so sad that Jay is no longer alive.

Take care
Hansi

[Demelza]

ivahri, on 19 November 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

Hi Demelza,

I think people will shortly find out that the AHSA have addressed this issue already but I've been asked to shut up until the Chairman makes the announcement herself. Maybe the issue was provoked by the AHSA requiring horses outside of Australia to be tested prior to import- maybe that could have been viewed as the AHSA exceeding its "authority". Clearly their objective was sincere- to prevent the unnecessary import of untested carriers coming in to the country. Australian breeders, I think, would support that. Maybe a subtle shift of testing point, from prior to entry to prior to being bred from, might achieve the same thing but make the matter entirely one for Australians to endorse, and for WAHO & others to butt out of? But seriously... who would be silly enough to spend thousands of dollars importing a horse & not have the tested before the money is handed over? Are there breeders in Europe & the US who would actually refuse to test a horse for a prospective Australian buyer?  

The next WAHO should be very entertaining... I'd expect a few of the AHSA representatives to pack their boxing gloves.

Cheers,


Richard

Looks like the rule "tweaks" have been announced by the AHSA. In this way, it seems the Society will be able to go ahead  with mandatory testing, but by making the public listing of results within the online studbook voluntary, will avoid the slap on the wrist from WAHO in the mean time. Test results will be kept on file by the Society. I like the financial incentives the AHSA has put in place (obviously they have listened to the concerns of members), and would love to see this happen in NZ.

Click here: http://www.ahsa.asn....ovember2010.pdf

[Trish aka JMO]

Just looked at the AHSA site and I    for the way they have handled this matter.

I particularly like the idea of a reduction in registration fees to encourage and help with cost, like wise I think the non payment for stallions nominations for stallions standing at stud who have their CA, LFS ETC results on line with the society also encouraging. Well done to those who have put alot of thought into this matter & it clearly shows that the our society has the breeds best interest at heart here..

[ivahri]

Hi Trish,

I also applaud them... I'm just not sure the free nomination for those who disclose has been thought out. All this will mean is those with "clears" will disclose & financially benefit (big deal, we are talking about $20) while those horses that are carriers will still not be disclosed. In effect a stud with one carrier & one clear will disclose one, not disclose the other & still be financially better off than they are now if they just disclose the clear. All the other initiatives I think are great, but this one I don't think will do anything towards encouraging carriers to be disclosed.

Cheers,


Richard