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[desertarabians.com]

sgarabians, on 11 January 2012 - 11:34 PM, said:

Personally I would actively recommend AGAINST the use of ACE for a real rejection problem - we lost a lovely colt year before last that a maiden rejected and was quite determined not to have at all and for 3 days our vet just kept giving her more and more ACE and she will come good - end result the colt succumbed to the over sedation and organ damage. Even though the sedation levels were not touching the sides of the mare so to speak.

HI Dave,   Thank you for the input.  As I mentioned I have heard of some using Ace but I have not heard of it used repeatedly as you mention.. it is good information.  The problem really comes down to at what point in time does one determine if it is foal rejection or not.  I personally determine this in the first day and then start on the program I outlined above (I also wrote on it in a previous thread "Foal Rejection Solution" two years ago).  It costs so little to start on this program that for me it doesn't make sense to wait, and waiting can only aggravate the situation.  Again thanks for the info, it certainly adds to our pool of knowledge.  

Joseph

[sgarabians]

desertarabians.com, on 12 January 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

HI Dave,   Thank you for the input.  As I mentioned I have heard of some using Ace but I have not heard of it used repeatedly as you mention.. it is good information.  The problem really comes down to at what point in time does one determine if it is foal rejection or not.  I personally determine this in the first day and then start on the program I outlined above (I also wrote on it in a previous thread "Foal Rejection Solution" two years ago).  It costs so little to start on this program that for me it doesn't make sense to wait, and waiting can only aggravate the situation.  Again thanks for the info, it certainly adds to our pool of knowledge.  

Joseph

Agreed Joseph - knowledge is power. Unfortunately for us that colt was the only living SE colt sired by our now deceased grandson of Ibn Hafiza. So his sire line died out there - a hard lesson indeed.

[Twin Rivers]

I have both SE and domestic mares...no problems with the domestics.  I had one mare reject her foal but it was a case we did not know she was PG. Bought her in the fall and had problems keeping weight on her...pumped the groceries in her and come spring (late April) we noticed it looked like she was making a bag.  No belly at all (she was maiden).  A few weeks later the herd came in and one of the non-bred mares had a foal by her side.  We realized the mare we had bought in the fall gave birth in the field, another mare stole it from  her and being a maiden she didn't fight for it.  We took the foal from the mare who robbed it and tried to get the mother mare to take it but she never would.  We milked her and bottle fed the foal but he died 24 hours later.  We later found out the mare had been exposed to a yearling colt......sigh....but a year later the mare had another foal and accepted it all on her own.

We bred her maiden mare sister and while the mare obviously loved her baby she had no clue about letting it nurse.  So we put a halter on her and backed her into the corner of her stall and talked quietly with her and soothed her until the baby figured out how to latch on. Once the baby nursed no problems at all!  Good luck to you!  Susan

[Twin Rivers]

I forgot to add that our lesson learned was to separate mares who are close to foaling and put them in their own paddock.  That way there is no chance of a baby getting stolen!