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[desertarabians.com]

Hello All and Happy Foaling in this New Year!

Shemees is 29 in 2012 and I thought I would share some photos taken about an hour ago, in the cold and rain, at our new home here in Paden, OK.  

These three foals were born on May 12 (two white socks filly), May 25 (four black feet colt) and June 21 (chestnut colt).  With the move here in March I expected it might be hard on the mares and babies and there were a few problems.  The worst being the last colt was a red bag baby and had a slow and difficult start but he is coming along fine now.  He wouldn't stand still for a photo so the best today was of him coming up to greet me.

This brings me to the question of breeding Shemees; he may last forever but I doubt it!  There will no longer be live cover, I will take him to the University in Stillwater, OK and have him tested for AI and shipping after the first of February.   Assuming all is well I will only be charging a $500 stud fee but there of course will be other fees so the total should be around $1000.00 give or take a little at this end.  This is an estimate and not firm but should be close with transport, collection, and shipping in that figure.  A deposit for the equitainer of course will be returned when the container is returned.  If you have your own that would be fine also.  I still need to work out the exact numbers with the University and will do that soon.

What I need to know before I go through the effort of hauling him to Stillwater is if there is interest in breeding to this fine old stallion, son of Anas and grandson of Alaa el Din and perhaps the last import from Egypt still breeding (so I am told).  If you are interested please contact me at joseph.bayer@att.net.

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[Nadj Al Nur]

Wow. Now there's an opportunity to get some fine old blood close up.
C

[calicoarab52]

Oh now how cool is that! And what a generous offer, so refreshing that you are so keen on seeing these fine old bloodlines being used to their greatest advantage!

[shall]

I went back and pulled up his pictures from earlier posts. He looks like a fantastic stallion. If you like, tell us his story? How he came into your life and what are his strengths?

[Phoenix]

Holy cow what a grand old boy, and to have El Sareei in the third gen. dang! Plus he's still fertile, what's your secret???

Yes I would also love to know his full story. He must be so very happy and loved.

K.R. Lisa

[hansi]

Phoenix, on 13 January 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Holy cow what a grand old boy, and to have El Sareei in the third gen. dang! Plus he's still fertile, what's your secret??? Yes I would also love to know his full story. He must be so very happy and loved. K.R. Lisa

I have seen some excellent foals of Shemees, correct and typy. the Owner is a very reputable, honest person, always giving, never taking and anybody dealing with him- J Byers-, will experience this. He loves his horses, has quite a few beautiful SEs.
He used to be nearby us here in Florida buit moved to Oklahoma last year, as he could not aquire land for a decent price here.

Also look at "Anas" (1973) his sire, which Albadeia Stud and Haman Stables used well in Egypt.
Not all of Shemees offspring  I know off are registered, as Joe was unable to get clearance papers from the owners of at least one of his mare..

Hansi

[abbasiyah]

Glad to see that Joe is talking about Shemees again:).   The story of *Shemees is that he was imported to the United States by the son in law of Mourad Al Cassabgui who lived at that time near Dallas.
Mr. Al Cassabgui also imported another Anas son names Moanes and three lovely EAO mares.  Someone told him that his stallions were not quality enough to be used for producing horses in this U.S. market so they leased their mares out and had them bred to some Ansata stallions.  We were contacted by Mr. Cassabgui's son in law to help him market his horses as the farm that leased his mares did not want to continue marketing for him at that time.  After going over and looking at the horses we sold two of the EAO mares to France and kept one for ourselves and sold Moanes to Germany and some of the offspring to Jordan.  We loved *Shemees so we went ahead and acquired him for our own programme.  When we moved from Florida we decided that it was in the best interest of *Shemee's health and happiness, due to his age, to not move him back to a cold climate and we gave him to Joe Bayer for the sum of $1.00 U.S. to make it a legal binding sale (gift).  Joe had just lost his main stallion and we felt that *Shemees would have a good home with Joe and Joe could use him on his older German bloodline mares.  We ourselves retained future breedings to *Shemees.

*Shemees gave us a top quality colt out of our Gleannloch mare Wihaam that was sold to Canada.  He also gave us some lovely colts, one out of our Serag daughter Nenaa and the other out of our Rasmonet RSI daughter Rasallaa.  He has a son that was foaled over in Italy from our mare Kamaara that we sold there and we kept a beautiful daughter of his out of our mare that Joe now owns by the name of Waliyah El Nejim.  We exported this filly named Wahleah El Shemees to Saudi Arabia.  Shemees also had a daughter that was only registered to PAHR (during that registry fiasco with WAHO) and this filly was out of our mare AK Nazria and she was exported to Kuwait.  

Most of the interest in *Shemees has come from overseas and the majority of his offspring have been exported to the Middle East.  Sad that U.S. breeders have not taken advantage of probably the last EAO stallion standing in the U.S. and one with such a fabulous pedigree.

[Phoenix]

Thank You for sharing his story with everyone Judi.
I hope many will use his blood while they can.
What a treasure he is.

K.R. Lisa

[abbasiyah]

Shemees (Anas x Shomoos) at Al Abbasiyah in Florida

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This is Wahleah El Shemees who was exported to Saudi Arabia

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[hansi]

Phoenix, on 13 January 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Holy cow what a grand old boy, and to have El Sareei in the third gen. dang! Plus he's still fertile, what's your secret??? Yes I would also love to know his full story. He must be so very happy and loved. K.R. Lisa

Dear Lisa
the photos of those foals dont do them justice, I saw them, they are real good ones.
It is so sad that so often real good oltimer horses are forgotten, some could give so much, and fads are embrased.
I was going to breed 1-2 mares to him this year, but Jo is gone and we dont use "AI".
I watched Shemees many times, he is an excellent mover, powerful longstrided. His pedigree indicates this too.

I hope some people take advantage of this incredible and low offer,wont come again, ocne gone, eh.

Jo is a very humble person, often taken gross advantage off,

Hansi

[larapintavian]

I'm planning to go see this boy. Didn't realize he was so close (about 75 miles).  

Does anyone have pics of Shemees in his prime years?  How was he trained or what disciplines have his foals done well in? (Just trying to get an idea if he might fit with either of my SE mares and what we breed for.)

[hansi]

larapintavian, on 14 January 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

I'm planning to go see this boy. Didn't realize he was so close (about 75 miles). Does anyone have pics of Shemees in his prime years? How was he trained or what disciplines have his foals done well in? (Just trying to get an idea if he might fit with either of my SE mares and what we breed for.)

Sharon, Jo got him in his older life, whuile buying 2-3 other mares from the owner, so was like a package deal I was told.
I saw him numerous times and like him a lot. He has excellent movement, good conformatio  overall.
Joe himself is a top horseman and excellent rider.. He sure loves his horses and takes good care of them.

Go, take a look, you might like him too.

Hansi

[abbasiyah]

larapintavian, on 14 January 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

I'm planning to go see this boy. Didn't realize he was so close (about 75 miles). Does anyone have pics of Shemees in his prime years? How was he trained or what disciplines have his foals done well in? (Just trying to get an idea if he might fit with either of my SE mares and what we breed for.)

Hi Sharon,

Shemees was used as a cutting horse on the ranch and he was cutting cows, not for the show ring but for ranch work.  The son in law tried to race him but Shemees was more interested in going to see the people in the stands than in racing.  He is a good moving horse, great neck and shoulder and excellent legs and feet.  Of his offspring the two geldings are used for riding.  I liked Shemees for putting on a beautiful neck and front end and for movement, not to mention he is a prime source for Hamdan blood.

We acquired Shemees in 1996 and gave him to Joe in 2003.  We lived less than an hour from Hansi and about a half an hour from Joe Bayer's place.  Unfortunately no one was interested in breeding to him during this time period and we really did not push for outside breedings so even though he was there he did not get outside breedings.  Shemees had super semen and lots of volume.  We bred only natural cover and never had a problem getting anything in foal.  Even at this age he is still getting mares in foal which says a lot for his semen quality.   I'd be more than happy to give you my breeding(s) for free if you would just pay Joe for the cost of taking the horse to wherever he needs to be taken and paying Joe a fee to handle the horse for covering your mare.  Shemees gave us some lovely foals and he is well worth using before it is just too late.

Judi

[larapintavian]

Thanks for the info and offer!  Now I've got to find a time to go that's also convenient for Joe.

I have located only one full body photo of Shemees in his younger years, and the way he is standing, or the surface he's standing on, is not the best.  That's why I hoped someone might have different photos. Thanks for those of his get.

Going to look at him, photos or not. As Hansi knows, I'm fascinated with the older blood and what it produces.

[hansi]

larapintavian, on 14 January 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Thanks for the info and offer! Now I've got to find a time to go that's also convenient for Joe. I have located only one full body photo of Shemees in his younger years, and the way he is standing, or the surface he's standing on, is not the best. That's why I hoped someone might have different photos. Thanks for those of his get. Going to look at him, photos or not. As Hansi knows, I'm fascinated with the older blood and what it produces.

Sharon, Please call me under 352-481-4254. I need to talk to you.
If I am not in, leave your number and I call you back.

thanks
Hansi

[abbasiyah]

Hi Sharon,

I found some more photos of Shemees so that you can see him a bit better and some more of his foals.

Here are the additional photos...

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As you can see he is not a horse with a ton of substance but when put with a mare with good substance he can produce it.

We crossed him onto our Nisma (Serag x Nasim) who had an abundance of substance and he produced a beautiful colt that went to the endurance trainer Judy Voll

Here is Patrick (she did not register him) by Shemees and out of Nisma.

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I forgot to add that Shemees also produced a nice colt out of the EAO mare Emada that was later taken over to Egypt for racing... Mr. Raouf

Two other colts were born and the owners only wanted trail horses so there is one out of our now deceased Serag daughter Taherah and another out of Lancers Asmara both is good riding only homes.

There is one other filly up in Canada by the name of Jasmineh and she is out of Royal Mahrusa:)

Here are a few foal photos to give you some idea of how he produces....

Anees (Shemees x Raja Asmara)

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This is Nazees who went to Kuwait (Shemees x AK Nazria) first as a coming yearling and then as a 3 year old

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And here is the colt out of Rasallaa .... Ramees (Shemees x Rasallaa)

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Hopefully this will give you an idea of his ability as a sire and hopefully someone will use him before he passes away.

Also if anyone wants further factual information about Shemees and his story then please just send me an email and I will be happy to discuss everything.  He's a nice horse and worthy of consideration.

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[abbasiyah]

Don't know how the 3 year old shot of Nazees went into attached thumbnails but at least you can see she was a lovey filly and now in Kuwait.

[larapintavian]

Thank you for posting these pics.

[abbasiyah]

Went to my old file where I kept the sales contract and found this photo.   At least it shows his body

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[Nadj Al Nur]

Love the shoulder ! Overall a very nice horse.
Cathy