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[Seglavi]

hansi, on 28 January 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

they will not bring back horses which have been bred ONLY for a "fishhead" so concave it is ugly,
but will continue in producing beautiful and athletic horses. they are afraid of incorporating something which could damage the rest in their opinion. I agree with them.

The eAO horses are not just based on the "SE label" considering many of the ancestors, and they might even be wisde to go back to genuine source, lke the King Abdul Azil Farm in Marbat, outside of Riadh,Saudi Arabia.
Quite a few of these "Asils" resemble some of the SEs of the past. Par exellent stock in my eyes.
Also the Tais/syria still have excellent stock to be harvested from.

They also dont breed "AI" neither does the above farm and others. That cuts out a high percentage of horses here. I warned about this years ago. I guess at the end we all have to take the consequences, eh.Often greed, laziness, fad breeding  and the like become our
demise.
take care
hansi

PS I e-mailed you, did it get lost?

Did you use my new email address?  I have not received an email from you Hansi for a very long time.

[desertrat]

Just got my copy from Amazon. WHOO-HOO!

[Nadj Al Nur]

Still waiting for mine........sigh..........
C

[desertrat]

Nadj Al Nur, on 01 February 2012 - 12:57 AM, said:

Still waiting for mine........sigh..........
C

You will find the book well worth the wait!

[desertrat]

Any more opinions on this book? Just got "Bred for Perfection" by Margaret E. Derry. Book cited by the author of "The Egyptian Alternative." Any opinions out there?

[M Huprich]

If the Egyptian breeding programs had not imported horses after their ancestors had left Egypt - where would we be today?  No Nazeer... etc etc etc

[Fl Z]

In, The Egyptian Alternative. Vol II, the author offers an extensive presentation on Nazeer, his origins and his extended line. The thrust of his book is not that no horses should ever have been exported from Egypt. Rather he discusses the descendants of Nazeer who remained in Egypt as well as those who left and carried his legacy around the world.

What I believe he is advocating is the serious study and research of all of the relevant bloodlines that have formed the Egyptian Arabian.To my understanding, he is proposing a dedicated approach to breeding the horse that may, in time and with great patience, produce another Nazeer.

While this book is written for serious breeders, I found that there is much information that is applicable to all Egyptian stallion lines as well as strains.
Even people who have the chance to see Arabians but are not yet breeders may find a new way to look at the horses.

What are some of the other readers finding?

[Ray]

I did not find Volume II to be focused on Nazeer at all.  Equal treatment is given to all the strains (dam lines and sire lines) remaining at the EAO, with some discussion of those lines which are now lost at the EAO.  The author recognizes that some of the lost lines still exist in other countries and could be recovered at the EAO, should that organization be so inclined.  

Volume II is a brilliant compilation of information on the existing lines, combining facts from disparate historical sources and recognized experts, along with the author’s personal observations over some 30 years, on the primary horses at the EAO, with information on how the horses were used and how they produced.  Modern Egyptian breeders can gain tremendous insight to the identity of the Egyptian bloodlines from this material.  Also interesting to note is that the photos in Volume II are all of horses that have been bred by the author.

I believe the author’s intended audience is the Egyptian people and specifically, those who may be in a position to implement leadership and a change in direction at the EAO.  "The Egyptian Alternative" volumes are written for and directed at Egyptians who are breeders of the Egyptian Arabian, in an attempt to bring attention to the fact that the EAO and other breeders of Egyptian Arabians are on the brink of disaster.  There are only three sire lines and only 8 or 9 dam lines remaining at the EAO.  These books are a wake-up call to the EAO and a warning to either take up the reins of leadership in the world-wide arena of the Egyptian Arabian, or loose the opportunity forever.

I will read Volume II again, more slowly this time, but I found it to be fascinating, educational and a must-have for breeders of these lines.

[Morabene]

I agree with Ray. It is much more then a book about Nazeer. He wants horses that are using animals, not just a beauty pagent of animals that have no use. I found it an interesting approach to breeding. Not into inbreed just one strain to reproduce the great horses of the past. But to do the crosses to bring in the good qualities of each strain.

As for the book, Bred for Perfection. I agree with it. Breeders need to wake up b/c the judges and the show crowd are not.

[hansi]

Morabene, on 15 February 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

I agree with Ray. It is much more then a book about Nazeer. He wants horses that are using animals, not just a beauty pagent of animals that have no use. I found it an interesting approach to breeding. Not into inbreed just one strain to reproduce the great horses of the past. But to do the crosses to bring in the good qualities of each strain. As for the book, Bred for Perfection. I agree with it. Breeders need to wake up b/c the judges and the show crowd are not.

Dear Martha

Yes you are so right, many need to wake up. At least you are breeding beautiful and very athletic horses you can be proud off.
You work so hard and so ethically, from what I gather.

I just wish I could get a rider, that would help.

Take care and futher good luck
Hansi

[Morabene]

Thanks for your kind words.