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[hansi]

Hi all
I suppose some of you watched the Kentucky Derby when "I'll have another" won.
Originally the exercise rider bought the horse for $ 11,000 sold it thereafter for $ 35,000 and the new owner now got a multi million dollar horse.

This rider trains, buys and sells, very successfully. He evaluates the horses he rides and market accordingly and that something in the 6figures.

Often I hear "I dont have the money to send the horse to the trainer" or whatever.
Now why would a rider send the horse out for training (under saddle) when  this can be done at home provided of course you have some land. Just by using a large field/paddock and after the horse has basic dressage ( walks,trots and canters-flexes and bending properly)you can trot and gallop the horses around the fence lines and actually time it. And it only takes 15-20Minutes.
To determine speed,stamina and attitude give a clue of what the horses has and could do.
This is what TB farms down here do, they train at home.So have I.

Some people think its too rough a ground. I say it is not, because if the horse trains on it well, it will think the paramutual race track is a ball room floor, or the rough terrain a piece of cake..

I remember Tom McNair training "Faleh" next to their airstrip, and doing well. I used to gallop over my rough 160 acre farm in Canada with Khofo and others and was able to determine what I had.
But so can you all.

Liz Salmon is doing a fine job evaluating a horse, but this is from the "ground" and neither she, I or you can determine what the horse really got. No matter how good or bad the conformation, you will always get a surprise.

What is to be learned, how to exercise your horses on your home tracks and that is quite easy with common sense. To train eventually for endurance of course takes a different training and is more time consuming. But is this not what every rider loves, ride through the wide blue yanders?
What you need is a stop watch you wear on your wrist. And a gadget to check the heart rate
and the pulse after you finish and again 15 minutes later. SEs mostly recover quickly, go down from 60 or more to under 40 rate. Speaking to an accomplished and knowledgable endurance rider is also of great value to you. Recovery rates are very important, and this is what can not be determined by evaluating a horse only from the ground.,

Valery Kanavy, worldmaster champion, is in her middle of "60ties" and rides still like a trooper.
I guess she stays young, looks like 40 because of the riding she does, lots of it.

If you breed horses, get foals on the ground you can do only one thing, sell them or breed for what you want to keep. If it is for marketing you have to be able to give a resumee of the horse, at least the stallions. Head hunters often are not riders and dont have a clue of what they got, I feel.

Please, all think about it and may be at the EE some day a seminar is held teaching you more.

All take care and God bless you and your horses.

Hansi

[hansi]

Dear All

Over 100 viewers and not one reply. How shall we understand this? How can any of us even try to help, give advice from experiences and emaning well?

Some of you might have watched the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness- with this super chesnut colt I'll Have another.
who might just win the Belmont and become TB's "12th" triple crown winner. The colt belongs to an unknown person in the TB world, has a good pedigree and sold to this new owner at an auction for $ 35,000.

The accomplishment of this great young stallion and belonging to this fine person, gives encouragement to thousands of small owners afraid to compete against the million dollar TB entries. This  an example of "testing" because one never knows what one really has. His trainer did an excellent job and the rider a superb one. I guess ALL THREE have HEART, EH.

aLL THIS HAPPENED BFORE AND CAN AGAIN.

Please think about it.

Hansi

[M Huprich]

hansi, on 21 May 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Dear All

...
Some of you might have watched the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness- with this super chesnut colt I'll Have another.
who might just win the Belmont and become TB's "12th" triple crown winner. The colt belongs to an unknown person in the TB world, has a good pedigree and sold to this new owner at an auction for $ 35,000.

The accomplishment of this great young stallion and belonging to this fine person, gives encouragement to thousands of small owners afraid to compete against the million dollar TB entries. ...Hansi

J Paul Reddam is not an unknown person in the TB world.  A multi-millionaire, he currently owns 20 broodmares, and has 25 horses in training.  He's had entries in 19 Breeders' Cup races and they have won almost $3.8 milion dollars.  He got started in standardbreds in the 70s, and still races them.  He got is first thoroughbred in the late 80s.

[Aimbri]

I watched the Preakness . . . a really nice race.  I didn't have an opportunity to hear about the owner or the circumstances.

Hansi . . . I know that you believe in testing for speed, endurance and recovery times, and if one is planning to race their horses, these things are VERY important, however I would suspect that a very small number of Arabian owners are interested in racing their horses.  I know that I'm not.  I use a different method to "test" my horses.  Conformation, temperament, trainability, heart, stamina . . . all these and more.  I like to show, both in-hand and under saddle, however I believe that in fact, only a small number of owners are interested in showing in today's mainrings.  I believe the vast number of owners are interested in other pursuits with their horses.

[hansi]

Aimbri, on 21 May 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

I watched the Preakness . . . a really nice race.  I didn't have an opportunity to hear about the owner or the circumstances.

Hansi . . . I know that you believe in testing for speed, endurance and recovery times, and if one is planning to race their horses, these things are VERY important, however I would suspect that a very small number of Arabian owners are interested in racing their horses.  I know that I'm not.  I use a different method to "test" my horses.  Conformation, temperament, trainability, heart, stamina . . . all these and more.  I like to show, both in-hand and under saddle, however I believe that in fact, only a small number of owners are interested in showing in today's mainrings.  I believe the vast number of owners are interested in other pursuits with their horses.

Jeanette

but this is what testing is also for. Indeed one does not have to race, but I thought one should know about the stamina,courage and even speed of the horse. WhaT YOU ARE DOING IS GREAT, and I wish more pople would do this.
I also trained in english,western,driving, etc.etc. and showed in these diziplines. Indeed the showring noadays is so different than decades ago. It's almost like russian roulet, eh.

I am not that familiar with TB racing anymore, and dont have the time to go on Google to check everything out and then trumpet off. So glad others can do it.
But we do have records of Arabian horses internationally which have done well in various diziplines.

Take care
hansi

[Cheryl L]

M Huprich, on 21 May 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

J Paul Reddam is not an unknown person in the TB world.  A multi-millionaire, he currently owns 20 broodmares, and has 25 horses in training.  He's had entries in 19 Breeders' Cup races and they have won almost $3.8 milion dollars.  He got started in standardbreds in the 70s, and still races them.  He got is first thoroughbred in the late 80s.

    Thanks for that information, Melissa. It is always good to have the facts straight. It sure was an amazing race. I really like Bodemeister too.

[M Huprich]

Maybe Bodemeister and I'll Have Another will be the Affirmed and Alydar of this generation.

[Cheryl L]

That is what I was saying to Carrie the other day. Affirmed won the Triple Crown, but Alydar was the better sire. It sure is exciting to see these two run together. It's going to make the Belmont a must see race.

[Tyger Pines]

Bodemeister won't be there...at least from what I've read.

[Nadj Al Nur]

Tyger Pines, on 22 May 2012 - 03:01 AM, said:

Bodemeister won't be there...at least from what I've read.

That's too bad.......... do they give any reason why ?
C