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#41 hansi

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 07:35 PM

Dear Jill

 

what a wonderful post. I found out that riders who competed in the past years may apply with AHR for the Award

program (this the Legion of Merit/Supreme Legion etc awards)  for $50.- per  back year and the awards will be giv en.

I think this is wonderful, it will give numerous campaigner a chance to be recognized for decades or more to come.

It is not easy to get enough points, not then, not now but it is rewarding, something one can be proud of.. Those interested please contact the AHR .  So keep on riding

 

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 12:41 AM

Thanks for the kind words.  Down Memory Lane Jill, you go back in your memory bank to Albuquerque early 90's, an Al Khamsa booth, which I manned all through the first week of the US Nationals.  You came in the last weekend ?? if correct?  Watching you sitting down, spinning your web, talking about Lady Blunt in her tent out in the Arabian deserts.

 

Ahh yes, those days.  There were others involved, all gone now I believe.  You and your mother had quite a "tiny" breeding program going; remember the photo of the first ultrasound for a colt you had bred hoping to carry on a certain line. 

 

When we compare "tiny" breeding programs, remember in Germany 2 mares, or at the most 3, at least in the 80's into the 90's was a lot.  Bazy Tankersley in the late 80's forecast this was coming. Really big breeders would have at the most 10 mares, and she did not say 10 foals per year! She said the breed would be saved by those with just the 2/3 and the ones who rode. 



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Posted 22 May 2015 - 11:52 AM

Well, I'm now up to two SE's - my boy and my new mare.  :)  I fantasize about a foal from those two........in the meantime, I'm enjoying riding her.  :)


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Posted 22 May 2015 - 11:58 AM

Dear LIz

If I may reply please

 

again you are so right and reminding. But I feel that we are on the best way to recover. More and more [people WANT to ride.

Dr Gurudas, who bought my last SE mare recently actually is taking riding lessons from a grand prix dressage trainer/rider in the Tampa,Fl, area. He has an adorable 8 year old son who also is most interested in learning. I am helping as much as I can, including tack. Also he is interested to eventually ride in endurance races. It pleases me so much.

 

I know that quite a few of our people do the same, help buyers to get on that horse and enjoy what we have decades long..

Bazy Tankersley was also one of the greatest promoters to ride, as she did herself and by enlarge produced "Sporthorse Arabians".

But so was the Sheets Family in Canada. They had the young ones on their stallions, of which they had many,

and kept doing this from day one to the end. All knew bloodlines to judge what should continue in the true sense of the Bedu Arab.

 

In 1992 at the sale of the Gleannloch horses, between them, Ansata and Us we had a combined "92 SE broodmares".

When I released my last copy of my Straight Egyptian Index, I listed a bit over 16000 entries FROM DAY ONE TO THEN.

That was a fraction of the entire Arabian Industry.

 

As long as folks like you, Jill and Al Khamsa supporters continue in that "old Fashion Way" we be okay, and we are on the very best way to do so.

 

Now, if we can only get the PS stop destroying themselves, we be in tall cotton.

When education starts again of what bloodlines are most suitable for whatever, just as other breeds do,

the SEs be "run aways". But will they listen before its too late for them? I always thought that a "Majority" wins (that's our small breeders) versa a Minority (that's the fee larger ones) or am I mistaken?

 

Well, may be our prayers are heard

 

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 12:42 AM

Hansi, thank you for your posts and for sharing your knowledge.

I can't wait to see you in Florida at the AK Convention, where

we can talk horse, see friends and enjoy the equines presented.

 

Several things to address:

 

Snip <Down Memory Lane Jill, you go back in your memory bank to

Albuquerque early 90's, an Al Khamsa booth, which I manned all through

the first week of the US Nationals.  You came in the last weekend ?? if correct? 

Watching you sitting down, spinning your web, talking about Lady Blunt in her

tent out in the Arabian deserts.>Snip

 

Liz, I have to say that I very rarely attended the show in Albuquerque

NM, simply because I was far closer to the show when it was held

every other year in Louisville.  So whatever year it was, I was

there at that time on behalf of Arabian Visions Magazine, not Al

Khamsa.  I surely would have stopped by the AK booth, but am not

sure why it would be an issue to talk about Lady Anne Blunt,

who to this day remains an authority on the subject of Arab horses.

 

Snip<There were others involved, all gone now I believe.> Snip

 

 

Given the time frame, Charles & Jeanne Craver had recently released

"The Annotated Quest," a fabulous tomb recounting the Homer Davenport

trip to the desert to acquire stock, with added photos and history.  It was its

own booth separate from AK.  I read this book every Winter, it repeats

reading extremely well & is just that good.  For those interested in a

really good read about Arab Horses, just Google The Davenport

Conservancy, then go to the "store" link in the upper right hand

corner for "The Annotated Quest."  It will save you a fortune over

even the used copies now selling for over $100 on regular Amazon,

and this link is quite long as posted:  sorry about that folks!

 

http://www.amazon.co...32599693&sr=1-1

 

Snip<You and your mother had quite a "tiny" breeding program going;

remember the photo of the first ultrasound for a colt you had bred hoping

to carry on a certain line.>Snip

 

I love it when people call any Arab horse breeding program "tiny."

Last I checked, it only takes one good mare to have

a meaningful impact.  Weren't you a fan of California Chrome?

There are many other examples of this within our own breed.

 

The ultrasound photo you speak of (of course, at the time we ran it in

a 1987 Khamsat, we didn't know it was a colt), was taken by

the leading equine ultrasound vet in the country at the time,

and it was taken at 14 days post conception.  Her name was

Dr. Karen Hayes and we all should be so lucky to have access to an

equine vet such as her.  Although I believe retired, you can find more

about her here:

http://www.stablegra.../dr-karen-hayes

 

We still have that 1988 "colt," as well as his more-than-half sister,

I believe two of the the last three Al Khamsa tail-female links extant

to the General Dickinson-imported mare *Aire.  The article on *Aire's family history

first appeared in a 1991 Khamsat, and not too long from now, the

entire Khamsat collection will be available online -- reams of really

good stuff, both past & present.  :)

 

He was a colt and stallion it is hard not to be proud of -- he has had

lovely foals, his name is Ajr, and his pedigree can be seen here:

 

http://roster.alkham...A/Ajr02a95.HTML

 

Yes Liz, I remember.  I'm sorry you are angry, we really

should be friends, given everything:  far more in common

than we do opposed.

 

Best,

 

JillE



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Posted 26 May 2015 - 04:04 PM

Where did this come off that I was angry? Good reason why I am just about done posting to forums.

 

Yes, believe you may have been representing Arabian Horse Visions.  Was meant to be complimentary.

 

Having seen nothing here on your breeding program, how was I to know, oh forget it.



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Posted 04 June 2015 - 10:57 PM

Very glad you were an Arabian Visions reader,

just because it provided a wealth of facts, which I

think we both strive to obtain.  Just did not see

any reference to it in your original post.

 

I'd never expect anyone to appreciate much less

remember the nuances of our AK *Aire preservation

program, so I owe you great thanks for bringing

it up, and my gratitude for noticing & even remembering

a black and white ad of nothing more than an equine

cell mass taken at 14 days in 1987.  I avoid

discussing our own programs here, so thank

you Liz for allowing me to share a little bit about

a really incredible Asil line that I expect will be

extinct before my life is over.  I saw almost all of

the *Aire AK family between 1985 and now, complete with

a 1988 visit to Paula Fatjo's ranch as she, dying of Cancer,

moved from porch to porch in her wheelchair,

telling us about her horses.  I owe her everything

for sharing that one day with us, and it is through

her program's efforts that anything survives in AK tail-female

to what must have been a great mare.  She provides

the Howard Marks connection in the bloodlines of

these horses, and Howard Marks wrote to me, an

idiot teenager with nothing but scads of enthusiasm,

both times when I wrote him...still have the letters.

 

Am biting my tongue to see what MtDNA studies tell us....

I only have theories based on what was written that I could

find/translate from when I was in college.

 

So thanks Liz:  for not really being angry, and for allowing

me to share a bit about something very dear to my

heart.  Hope I see you at the EE this weekend: 

I still owe you lunch!

 

 

JillE



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Posted 12 June 2015 - 05:52 PM

Yes, things used to be great, but, things can STILL be great!  Get out there and ride your horses.  Show and compete if you enjoy that.  I do.

 

The end of May, I had 4 SE/AK/Asil horses competing in 3 shows (Sport Horse Show, AHA Class A Show, and all-breed Open Dressage Show).  I've sold 3 SE/AK/Asil horses this year.  A gelding who is competing both in hand and under saddle, and 2 mares who are in performance training.  

 

We placed well in a variety of disciplines and classes, winning many of them.  Friends were there showing their Egyptian Sired/high percentage Egyptian horses as well, and the SE/ES horses placed well and showed others what the SE's can truly do.  In one of the allbreed Dressage classes, my friend on her ES mare was first, and I on my SE mare was 2nd.  This was all-breed open competition!  It can still be done, people!


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Posted 12 June 2015 - 10:15 PM

Can you post pics??? Would love to see!
My boy is getting out, only in a small way, won a ridden class and we went to AHS show where he came 4th in pre novice....we only small fry! :)
Hope to get out to dressage too.....
Wish I could post pics of my little chap....
ETA my boy only ER, great grand sire Emiratus B




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